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Hypercake Mix
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Posted - 2012.09.25 09:31:00 -
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Hulk needs to have a stronger base and potential EHP than Mackinaw. The 150m sig radius vs Mackinaw's 250m isn't guaranteed effective like EHP is.
Hulk's Exhumer skill yield bonuses need to be a tad higher. That extra training needs to mean something. The extra micromanagement needs to mean something. |
Hypercake Mix
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Posted - 2012.09.25 10:55:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote: Why? A hulk is supposed to be used i a fleet op and and with a mining director sitting in an Orca.
Which means fat EHP support unless the pilot in the Orca isn't trained as a pure donkey.
How can anyone refer to the shuffling ore once per cycle of a Hulk as micromanagement?
A Rohk with staggered Miner II and having to shovel ore every 30s seconds is bordering on micromanagement, but a Hulk with unstaggerred strippers?
What does Orca support have to do with EHP? I could have an off-grid T3 boosting Mackinaws instead of an aligns-like-a-bowling-ball Orca sitting in belt.
It's micromanagement. Not all micromanagement is measured in APM.
[quote=Lord Zim]Quote:Which extra training? There are no skill requirement differences between a mack and a hulk.
Which extra micromanagement? Moving the ore into the corp hangar of the orca? You're getting higher yield as it is, the minor added work over a mackinaw isn't sufficient to warrant even further yield increases.
I look at the Hulk bonus and go "Oh man that extra yield is totally awesome over time!" I look at the Mack's bonus and go "Lets put that Face Melting V back in the queue." Would YOU train Exhumers V if you had no future vision to mine in regular fleet ops?
It IS significantly higher effort/yield. |
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Posted - 2012.09.25 20:21:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Dragging ore into the orca corp hangar isn't taxing. Stop trying to make it sound like it is.
Your idea of "significant higher effort/yield" is all out of whack. We're looking at 45 minutes to get to level 1, less than a day to get to level 3, a little over 5 days to get to level 4 (which you'll train to when doing the mack thing anyways), and 24 more days to get to level 5 for a minor increase in yield over level 4.
Unless all you do is mine all day long (and god help you if that's all you use eve for, play x3 or whatever other strategy/resource management game instead, then), then that extra yield will not matter one whit. It is what it is.
Effort/yield in flying a Hulk vs flying a Mackinaw. Not the skill training.
I don't mine all the time. Hell, when I do mine, I use an AB Skiff with only one MLU. I'm talking about the people that do mining on a larger scale, for longer hours, where every bit of mining yield counts. |
Hypercake Mix
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Posted - 2012.09.25 20:38:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:It's still not "significant higher", it's icing on the cake. Perhaps we have different opinions on what "significantly higher" actually equates to. |
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